Faith, not Religion, is the Problem

Editorial Note: This post was written by Wes Fenza, long before the falling out of our previous quint household and the subsequent illumination of his abusive behavior, sexual assault of several women, and removal from the Polyamory Leadership Network and banning from at least one conference. I have left Wes’ posts  here because I don’t believe it’s meaningful to simply remove them. You cannot remove the truth by hiding it; Wes and I used to collaborate, and his thoughts will remain here, with this notice attached.



Have you seen this video?

It’s a poem called “Why I Hate Religion, but Love Jesus.” It points out a lot of the hypocrisy that pervades organized Christianity and concludes that faith in Christ is the way to salvation. No religion necessary. You may have heard it expressed as “I’m not religious, I just have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ,” or its shorter, less defined version – “spiritual, but not religious.”

This is not a new idea. It’s very common in liberal circles, and I can see the appeal. It’s not the bible that causes the oppression of women and gays, restricts abortion, dominates our politics, and generally makes people miserable. It’s religion that does those things. Free from the organization and power structure of Big Church, people are free to develop their own spirituality and channel it into inclusive and positive avenues. Without the dogma and evangelism of traditional religion, all of the problems associated with religion can be solved.

…or so the thinking goes. But this overlooks the biggest problem (and quite possibly my only problem) with religion: faith. By faith, I’m using the second definition here – that is, “belief that is not based on proof.” Faith, in this sense, is what people use as an alternative to reason.

Faith is the real problem. All of the problems with religion are due to the fact that religions promote faith and suppress reason. Dogma is merely a suppression of reason. Bigotry thrives on a lack of rational thinking. Conservative politics rely on people voting against their self interest. All of these issues could be solved by reasonable thinking.

The religious are often quick to point out that the worst leaders of the 20th century – Hitler, Pol Pot, Mussolini, Mao Zedong, Stalin, etc. – were all atheists, and established atheistic societies. While some of these claims are doubtful, the idea is largely irrelevant anyway. Even if these leaders established atheistic societies, the societies in question looked awfully theistic in terms of encouraging faith. Except that instead of worshiping a god, they worshiped a charismatic leader. The belief systems of these societies were just as faith-based (if not moreso) than a religion. Like Sam Harris says, “no society in human history ever suffered because its people became too desirous of evidence in support of their core beliefs.” The problem isn’t religion – it’s faith.

This is the reason why I often feel like I have more in common with fundamentalists than I do with moderate believers. In my experience, fundamentalists tend to care deeply that their beliefs are true. While fundamentalists have faith, it often seems that their beliefs take less faith than those of religious moderates. Fundamentalists have faith in a book, faith in a leader, or faith in their parents. Many fundamentalists are very rational, once you recognize their assumptions. Moderates tend to make up their own religion, which means that each belief is its own separate article of faith. I actually find myself in agreement with Mike Tudoreaunu (arguing in favor of organized religion),  when he says:

[n]ow let me be absolutely clear: abandoning organized religion to embrace an ill-defined “spirituality” is a rejection of logic and reason, not an affirmation of it.

The other thing to remember is that not all religions involve faith. Several forms of Judaism are only concerned with ritual and tradition, with no false beliefs. Certain forms of Buddhism are about practices and lifestyle rather than an actual belief system. Unitarianism can basically be anything, including merely a community.

Skeptics are now forming communities that resemble religions in several respects. Some skeptics have an issue with this, as anything resembling religion is generally mistrusted. It’s a good impulse, but I think it’s misguided in this sense. It’s not organization that we need to be avoiding – it’s faith. So long as these organizations aren’t promoting dogma or authority (and to my knowledge, they are not), there is no problem.

This is why I think my identity as a skeptic is more important than my identity as an atheist. Atheism is just one byproduct of skepticism. Polyamory (for the right people) is another. Ditto for feminism, humanism, and left-wing politics. Skepticism informs my entire worldview, not just my views on religion. Skepticism is much bigger than that.

Opposing religion is a worthwhile endeavor, but religion is only one way in which faith-based thinking infects our societies. It’s important to remember that.

13 thoughts on “Faith, not Religion, is the Problem

  1. You should recheck your facts that Hitler was an atheist.
    In my opinion, religion is first and foremost an issue. “Religious Faith” follows.

  2. Yes, you’re right every faith except the faith in power of human mind and reason is redundant and has eventually be eliminated. You don’t need faith to get your spoon to your mouth then it won’t be needed in any other situation for anybody when humankind will be developed enough

  3. Faith is “evidence of the unseen and the substance of hope” It is belief in the Unseen Presence resulting in EVIDENCE. It is a felt experience in my body. It is substance and evidence. I have seen miracles, healing, and the impossible become possible. “O taste and see the God is good” Taste, see, feel in your body the reality of the Spirit of the Living One alive forever more. “Awake, O sleeper, and Christ will give you Light” The Light of God literally streams into me; yet another felt experience. Faith is evidence of the Unseen in our body, our mind, our heart and our life.

  4. newheavenonearth,

    You are confusing subjective experience with objective evidence. When it comes to religious experience, I will not deny that you experienced something, but I’m skeptical that your interpretation is correct. Belief does not lead to evidence. Experience can often be illusory. If you want anyone else to believe your interpretation of your experiences, you will need to use actual physical evidence or at least logic. So far, you have failed to do so.

  5. I don’t know about Australian law, but in the U.S., incorporation won’t affect volunteer liability. An LLC only shields the business owners from liability. Volunteers are generally not liable unless they personally are negligent. Forming an LLC or corporation wouldn’t change that.

  6. wfenza, I think I have provided sufficient references to Australian and British legal opinion on this matter. I am unfamiliar with how the U.S. does things.

  7. Faith in a divine creator (of any religious understanding) is like any theory in science it is simply yet to be proven. I actually think that it is organised religion which can be the problem, particular when it comes to finding peace and tolerance. When any organisation begins to believe that what they think to be true is beyond questioning, then you have dogma. There are too many governments, religious organisations and people in general who have not opened their minds to other peoples knowledge, understanding or cultural circumstances.

  8. Fiona, faith is actually the opposite of scientific theory. Faith is belief without evidence. Scientific theory is based on evidence; evidence begets the theory. Furthermore, scientific theory is subject to — and open to — discourse and new evidence; faith is not. We are undeniably more knowledgeable in many areas — medicine, technology, biology, astronomy, etc. — than we were 1000 years ago. And that’s based on seeking and finding new evidence. Religion — an organized collection of people propagating their brand of faith — has not progressed. (Oh, there may have been some moderation, but not progression.)

    Faith leads to behavior. If I believe that my killing people who don’t share my faith will buy me (and 70 of my friends) a ticket to heaven, then I — an educated, middle-class, otherwise-normal man — will strap on a vest of explosives and ball bearings and head for a crowded bus. Or fly a plane into a skyscraper. If I believe that my creator — through his writings — compels me to care what happens in your bedroom or in your private life, I’ll do so with conviction of a faithful person.

    Organized faith — religion — DOES certainly exacerbate the problem by perpetuating and feeding misguided beliefs from generation to generation. But faith — belief without evidence and hope for improbable things — is its root.

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