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		<title>Comment on Toward a More Skeptical Monogamy by Skeptical Monogamy &#124; polyhydra - The Polyamorous Dragon</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/04/25/toward-a-more-skeptical-monogamy/#comment-48678</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Skeptical Monogamy &#124; polyhydra - The Polyamorous Dragon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 May 2013 06:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] love this skeptical monogamy post by polyskeptic&#8230; and I have to admit at being somewhat that this handle has already been [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] love this skeptical monogamy post by polyskeptic&#8230; and I have to admit at being somewhat that this handle has already been [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on New website! by Ginny</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/05/16/new-website/#comment-48549</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ginny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 23:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks! I&#039;ll still be posting here from time to time... as will Shaun, Wes, and Gina (all of them probably more often than me!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks! I&#8217;ll still be posting here from time to time&#8230; as will Shaun, Wes, and Gina (all of them probably more often than me!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on New website! by Lydia</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/05/16/new-website/#comment-48534</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lydia]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 17:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congratulations on your new site! I will be passing it along to friends. :)

Will you continue to update this blog as well?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations on your new site! I will be passing it along to friends. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Will you continue to update this blog as well?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Deep Rift in Atheism: picking a tribe by It&#8217;s a Women in Secularism anniversary! &#124; atheist, polyamorous skeptics</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/04/28/the-deep-rift-in-atheism-picking-a-tribe/#comment-48532</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[It&#8217;s a Women in Secularism anniversary! &#124; atheist, polyamorous skeptics]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 16:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] want, and they can still do pure skepticism/atheism, if they want (I think that&#8217;s getting old and boring, personally).  On the other hand, this critical view has nothing to do with the fact that we we [&#8230;]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] want, and they can still do pure skepticism/atheism, if they want (I think that&#8217;s getting old and boring, personally).  On the other hand, this critical view has nothing to do with the fact that we we [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Polyamory is Better Than Monogamy (if you&#8217;re into that sort of thing) by Ken Seehart</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2012/07/17/polyamory-is-better-than-monogamy-if-youre-into-that-sort-of-thing/#comment-48496</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ken Seehart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 May 2013 00:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;... jealousy encourages a person to feel bad when good things happen to other people. To be jealous of someone is to wish ill fortune on that person. Jealousy is, in effect, the opposite of love. If love is a symbiotic relationship, where one party’s happiness creates happiness for everyone, jealousy is a parasitic relationship, where one party’s happiness drains happiness from all other parties. In that sense, the more love in a relationship, the less jealousy. &lt;em&gt;wfenza&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I would suggest considering a different way to look at jealously. I see jealously as a constellation of various emotional responses (such as fear of loss, anger at betrayal (real or imagined), fear of rejection, etc) rather than an intent. If jealousy were an intentional choice, or a personal value, I would agree will all that you have written. I&#039;d prefer not to have jealously in my life.

I am in a relatively new relationship (one year) as well as two long term relationships (10 and 12 years). I don&#039;t recall any feelings of jealousy related to either of my long term relationships. But my new relationship has elicited quite strong emotions in me that I would have to characterize as jealously.

I choose to apply the same strategies that I use when working with any shadow emotions *. I try not to judge jealously. I don&#039;t allow jealously to control my behavior. I do not expect others to modify their behavior to appease my jealousy. I do not make any attempt to internally suppress my emotions (though I also do not act out on these emotions). Instead, I allow myself to feel the emotions, listen to what they have to say, learn from them, and allow them to pass on their own. Often, on the other side of this process, I open the door to intense compersion**. From my own direct experience, I believe that compersion is impossible in the presence of suppressed jealousy.

If I don&#039;t allow my emotions to be felt and expressed (at least to myself in private), I can expect them to leak out sideways. If jealousy is suppressed, it will still be there, creating a barrier to love.

* Shadow emotions: The definition varies quite a bit depending on the source. My definition: emotions (whether positive or negative) that are inconsistent with my intentional values. For example, joy at another&#039;s failure, anger triggered by another&#039;s actions that I would willingly do myself, fear of anything that my rational mind does not perceive as an actual threat.

** Compersion: The joyful feeling you get in response to witnessing your lover enjoying a sexual or romantic connection with somebody else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230; jealousy encourages a person to feel bad when good things happen to other people. To be jealous of someone is to wish ill fortune on that person. Jealousy is, in effect, the opposite of love. If love is a symbiotic relationship, where one party’s happiness creates happiness for everyone, jealousy is a parasitic relationship, where one party’s happiness drains happiness from all other parties. In that sense, the more love in a relationship, the less jealousy. <em>wfenza</em></p></blockquote>
<p>I would suggest considering a different way to look at jealously. I see jealously as a constellation of various emotional responses (such as fear of loss, anger at betrayal (real or imagined), fear of rejection, etc) rather than an intent. If jealousy were an intentional choice, or a personal value, I would agree will all that you have written. I&#8217;d prefer not to have jealously in my life.</p>
<p>I am in a relatively new relationship (one year) as well as two long term relationships (10 and 12 years). I don&#8217;t recall any feelings of jealousy related to either of my long term relationships. But my new relationship has elicited quite strong emotions in me that I would have to characterize as jealously.</p>
<p>I choose to apply the same strategies that I use when working with any shadow emotions *. I try not to judge jealously. I don&#8217;t allow jealously to control my behavior. I do not expect others to modify their behavior to appease my jealousy. I do not make any attempt to internally suppress my emotions (though I also do not act out on these emotions). Instead, I allow myself to feel the emotions, listen to what they have to say, learn from them, and allow them to pass on their own. Often, on the other side of this process, I open the door to intense compersion**. From my own direct experience, I believe that compersion is impossible in the presence of suppressed jealousy.</p>
<p>If I don&#8217;t allow my emotions to be felt and expressed (at least to myself in private), I can expect them to leak out sideways. If jealousy is suppressed, it will still be there, creating a barrier to love.</p>
<p>* Shadow emotions: The definition varies quite a bit depending on the source. My definition: emotions (whether positive or negative) that are inconsistent with my intentional values. For example, joy at another&#8217;s failure, anger triggered by another&#8217;s actions that I would willingly do myself, fear of anything that my rational mind does not perceive as an actual threat.</p>
<p>** Compersion: The joyful feeling you get in response to witnessing your lover enjoying a sexual or romantic connection with somebody else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Alain de Botton and the costly middle-man of religion by pistol targets reactive</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2012/03/12/alain-de-botton-and-the-costly-middle-man-of-religion/#comment-48312</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pistol targets reactive]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 11:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m gone to inform my little brother, that he should also go to see this web site on regular basis to take updated from latest news.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gone to inform my little brother, that he should also go to see this web site on regular basis to take updated from latest news.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Deep Rift in Atheism: picking a tribe by Melvin</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/04/28/the-deep-rift-in-atheism-picking-a-tribe/#comment-48310</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Melvin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 09:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came here through the link of Evid3nc3 and only read that part.

I think Evid3nc3 his point has value. People like me don&#039;t know anything about feminism and are subject to bias because of a name. So I like it that Evid3nc3 clears up this point for someone who is curious to literally read a thing or two on the subject (I don&#039;t have the time to dig in, for me personally there are more interesting things to read).

My opinion before his posts on feminists was: not much of an opinion at all, but because of the name I guess I was biased to believe it was more about women defending themselves than men. I thought it was a temporary opinion (= lack of information).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came here through the link of Evid3nc3 and only read that part.</p>
<p>I think Evid3nc3 his point has value. People like me don&#8217;t know anything about feminism and are subject to bias because of a name. So I like it that Evid3nc3 clears up this point for someone who is curious to literally read a thing or two on the subject (I don&#8217;t have the time to dig in, for me personally there are more interesting things to read).</p>
<p>My opinion before his posts on feminists was: not much of an opinion at all, but because of the name I guess I was biased to believe it was more about women defending themselves than men. I thought it was a temporary opinion (= lack of information).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Queer Youth Radio on Polyamory by Dave Churvis</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/05/09/queer-youth-radio-on-polyamory/#comment-48247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Churvis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 15:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I definitely will! The new generation is remarkably progressive on a number of fronts. I&#039;m the head of Secular Panthers, the SSA affiliate at Georgia State, and a few months back I was asked to come to a meeting of our Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity for a meeting about queer perspectives on faith to give perspective as a queer atheist. I was expecting a bit of resistance, but during introductions, fully half of the group identified as atheist or agnostic, and there were probably a good fifth of the group who identified as polyamorous. The times are definitely changing :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely will! The new generation is remarkably progressive on a number of fronts. I&#8217;m the head of Secular Panthers, the SSA affiliate at Georgia State, and a few months back I was asked to come to a meeting of our Alliance for Sexual and Gender Diversity for a meeting about queer perspectives on faith to give perspective as a queer atheist. I was expecting a bit of resistance, but during introductions, fully half of the group identified as atheist or agnostic, and there were probably a good fifth of the group who identified as polyamorous. The times are definitely changing <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Queer Youth Radio on Polyamory by shaunphilly</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/05/09/queer-youth-radio-on-polyamory/#comment-48244</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shaunphilly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 14:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I&#039;ve been getting that for the generation in school now is sort of generally ok with not only non-monogamous relationships, but atheism as well, more than my generation (and even the one after mine).  It&#039;s, hopefully, a good sign for the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I&#8217;ve been getting that for the generation in school now is sort of generally ok with not only non-monogamous relationships, but atheism as well, more than my generation (and even the one after mine).  It&#8217;s, hopefully, a good sign for the future.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Queer Youth Radio on Polyamory by David Hall</title>
		<link>http://polyskeptic.com/2013/05/09/queer-youth-radio-on-polyamory/#comment-48228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 May 2013 05:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do a review of all non-monogamies in my on line college human sexuality class. Don&#039;t get much response or discussion. They do not seem to think it is a big issue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do a review of all non-monogamies in my on line college human sexuality class. Don&#8217;t get much response or discussion. They do not seem to think it is a big issue.</p>
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